when the gb cuts loose 1600 volunteers, what makes them think they can continue telling them how they will spend their time?
i've read on many of these threads that the 1600 will be reassigned.
what, are they still under some sort of contract?.
When it comes to laying off Bethelites, it sounds a whole lot better and less mean for the Society to say these folks will be out there Pioneering rather than scrambling to get on their feet and figure out what the **** they are going to do to survive.
Put a nice spin on it so the "friends" can say "Oh...isn't that nice "
sitting there watching tv when my aged uber dub father says.. "i wonder if i could justify buying one of those tablets".. joe = in his mind thinks "yeah and send the bill to wt for it".
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i just smiled and didn't reply..
Joe = In his mind thinks "yeah and send the bill to Wt for it".
Or maybe the society should put all those soon to be laid off Bethelites to work assembling low cost electronic devices so folks like your Dad can still follow along in the meetings.
i just read an email from a friend, and she shared some very interesting emails from her friends about information on changes now happening at the bethels around the world.
here is the email: .
---------------------------------thanks sally, jesus is directing the org and all decisions and instructions to us may not seem practical from now on, neither will we understand the reasonings behind many of the changes that the organization makes.
Thanks Sally, Jesus is directing the org and all decisions and instructions to us may not seem practical from now on, neither will we understand the reasonings behind many of the changes that the organization makes. How exciting are these times!
That proves it. JW's thrive on being frightened, kept in the dark, having others make all the decisions and being told what to do. It makes them feel extra virtuous and it takes all the responsibility for the future off their shoulders.
i just called brooklyn bethel service dept.
they said they had not heard anything about a worldwide shut down of construction.
i asked if he had heard about london bethel shutting down construction.. he said no that it was a surprise to him.
Is it just me or does it seem weird that Bethel boy wouldnt know?
When it comes to layoffs, it may be intentional that the Bethelites are the last to know. Maybe they want to do a bit of spin doctoring and break it to them gently over a series of weeks.
the chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.
the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.
my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.
It wouldn't surprise me if eventually Kingdom Halls were sold and people were told to meet in private homes in preparation for the Great Tribulation.
Or have Tele-meetings where the publishers watch the meetings broadcast from Bethel, in their own homes, only meeting together in person for the money making Assemblies, a few times a year.
the chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.
the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.
my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.
You will also find it difficult to get people take on contracts if and when you change your mind and start building again. Trust disappears.
I have an old friend who was the best man in my wedding and who is now a multi millionaire, X-Elder, Overseer of overseas Assembly Hall Projects and an investigator of pedophile claims in the U.S. He told me that a lot of the materials for his Assembly Hall Builds were supplied by JW vendors and there were many instances of price gouging and fraud discovered.
His highly skilled service ended when he was disfellowshipped for notifying a congregation that an imprisoned pedophile from his Hall had just been reinstated and was being released from prison. He was specifically told by the society not to say anything but did it anyway and was DF'd. He told me that between the horrendous pedophile cases he investigated (victims committing suicide etc) and the fraud he witnessed on the part of JW's scamming the Society, he's done for good, which is something I never thought I'd see happening, to him.
according to the 2014 annual report:.
"worldwide, there are 115,416 congregations of jehovahs witnesses and 8,201,545 publishers.".
i don't understand how the borg is facing financial difficulty.
I believe this is 100% intentional. It will spook the average JW into thinking, "holy shit! we need to fork over even MORE $$$--they're obviously in trouble" when they're actually back stroking in cash like Scrooge MacDuck.
In my mind, just the opposite could happen. All those having doubts prompted by the recent doctrinal changes or financial grabs or those who view any success the organization experiences, is related to Jehovah's blessing, may begin to smell a rat and feel justified in withholding any financial support until everything is sorted out and explained thoroughly to them.
a good source just just told me that at morning worship today that the governing body announced that a total of 1600 bethelites will be let get go and not transferred to warwich when the last property is sold in brooklyn and all kingdom hall building projects are on hold for at least a year so that all the focus will be on the preaching work.
I never understood (even when I was a Bethelite) why they needed soooo many people to run a printing facility.. Most of what went on there was work they created for themselves, They even had in house furniture finishers tailors barbers and they grew all their own food and dairy. It might have made sense back in the C. T. Russell days to do that but it had long since become a very convoluted and time consuming way of getting the urgent message spread. The time and money spent on their lavish methods was astounding but everyone seemed to think it proved how much Jehovah was blessing them.
It was the same with the assemblies. They had full on meals, including desserts. served on trays and tons of volunteers cooking it and dishing it all up and washing dishes instead of listening to the assembly program.
I don't understand why this huge complex is being built in upstate New York when printing has become more automated and less in demand. It reminds me of a bunch of spoiled rich kids who have inherited Daddy's business and are about to run it into the ground while they play Monopoly with it. I'm not holding my breath but I won't be surprised if we see things come to a head soon.
its been a couple of weeks since a new c.o.
was appointed to the circuit and im starting to hear tidbits of his talks..
one brother told me that in one of his talks he asked the question; .
I don't know what the future of the door to door work is but nothing would surprise me at this point. As far as the carts are concerned, I'm sure there is more profit in having the Publishers load their carts full of literature every week or month, instead of the few pieces they can typically carry in their little book bags. Whether the literature is or isn't "placed", is immaterial.
Decades ago when the topic of using television as a means of reaching people with our "life saving message" was broached, they said going from door to door was a commandment and they didn't want to look like the TV televangelists. It doesn't seem to make a difference to them now that the televangelists are also on the Internet just like they are. They even look like they use the same set designers and jewelry suppliers.
i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....
i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..
so i texted her back immediately with fu..
Ok, so it may be the adrenaline talking, but I think many of us would like to believe that our loved ones won't respond like a rabid JW when or if we reveal our true selves to them, and it's very difficult to accept that our loved ones are indoctrinated.
As I read this I couldn't help that some (I don't mean you sparrowdown, I mean me) would be disappointed if there wasn't the ensuing drama of relatives and friends who became rabid or they would feel hurt if the elders didn't hound them and try to take judicial action. Looking back on when I made my exit, I have to wonder if the part of me that claimed to want a clean break actually wanted to burn bridges and get back at "them" for all the unnecessary crap and wasted years they put me through for nothing. It would be anticlimactic to slip away quietly and let them off the hook, yet that's just what I did. We made a clean break in every sense of the word. After 30 years of regular attendance, the elders took 3 years before they came a-lookin'. We faded undramatically but instead of taking complete advantage of it, every time I had a chance, I let them have it with both barrels and undid a lot of the benefits I had from having faded. I guess sometimes we want it both ways.
Just a thought.
